Ask Joan: Frustrated and Stuck
Dear Joan: I’m 71 and my wife is 73, together for 22 years. I’m desperately searching for a way to still have some sex life when her enthusiasm has waned to zero.
Our sex was the best of my life when we first got together. The combination of her intelligence, her accomplishment level, and our adventuresome, enthusiastic sex was mesmerizing. Now her sexual desire is gone. She rarely wants to pleasure me, either. If I’m lucky and really sweet, I get a hand job every few months.
She says her lack of interest is mostly due to hormonal, physical changes. She is dry, so penetrative sex is painful. I respect that, but it doesn’t explain the lack of interest in other forms of physical pleasuring for her or for me. I’ve given her one of your books to read. She says she will, but she doesn’t.
I think this is more about our relationship issues. We quarrel frequently. She’s very critical, a perfectionist. I’ll admit to being somewhat inattentive.
Neither of us wants to end our marriage, but we have this huge gap in sexual desires. What do I do? I masturbate a lot and that’s okay. But I still crave female attention, touch, and a beautiful body to play with. I’m thinking that I need to find a friend with benefits (FWB). I’d prefer to do so with my wife’s approval, but I find it hard to raise the issue with her. Years back, she found out I’d paid for sex and was really angry. I feel like she’s withholding sex but also won’t approve my getting it elsewhere. Although not ideal, maybe a FWB arrangement that is not up front but becomes tacitly acknowledged might be the best.
I have not brought up the question of her agreeing to another sexual connection for me. I’ve decided that it’s better to go with “Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell” (DADT) for now. She doesn’t ask how I satisfy my urges. My fear is that if I say, “This is what I need—with someone else if you can’t or won’t,” she’ll see it as confrontational and a kind of ultimatum. I don’t want to have that big fight. What do you think?
—Frustrated and Stuck
Joan responds:
Several problems contribute to the lack of sex in your marriage. Your wife’s hormonal changes rule out penetrative sex. As you realize, there are many other ways to give each other sexual pleasure. (See my webinar, “Great Sex Without Penetration.”) But you say that these don’t appeal to her, either.
You state that your wife has no sexual desire. If she wanted advice, I’d offer suggestions such as understanding responsive vs. spontaneous desire and tips for bringing the spice back into the bedroom. But there’s no evidence that she wants a sexual relationship with you, from what you write.
That leads us to the problems in your relationship apart from sex. These conflicts need work before anything sexual can change. If you’re “very sweet,” you might get a hand job every few months. I suggest working on being more attentive and caring all the time, not just when you’re trying to get sex.
It’s a Two-Way Street…
I’m not putting it all on you. You say she’s critical and a perfectionist. Anger is a strong turn-off for sex, as well as for a loving relationship. Have you discussed with her what would improve your relationship? What would each of you like from the other in day-to-day behavior? Take turns asking, listening, and acknowledging what you hear. If that leads to another argument, you need help guiding that discussion. I earnestly recommend couples counseling.
DADT?
Yes, you deserve an outlet for your sexual needs, and what do you do when your wife is unwilling? Your understanding of DADT is incorrect. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is a specific non-monogamy agreement where partners consent to going outside the relationship for sex discreetly and not discussing it. Doing it your way, however — getting sex outside the marriage without your wife’s knowledge at all — isn’t DADT. It’s cheating. You were already caught when you hired a sex worker. What will happen if you follow this course and she finds out?
Try This Approach Instead
You fear that a discussion will sound “confrontational and a kind of ultimatum” and lead to a big fight. What if you approached her this way:
“I understand that you don’t want sex with me anymore. I’d love to try to reclaim our sexual bond. If that can’t happen, I still need an outlet for my need for touch and sex. Could we talk about what you would accept? Suppose I get my needs met discreetly in a way that you won’t learn about. In other words, you won’t ask and I won’t tell. Can we discuss how we can make that work?”
Again, a sex therapist or a sex-positive counselor can help you through this. The fact is that you aren’t willing to give up the pleasures of sex — nor should you be! — and you need to find a resolution. I hope you can do that within your marriage, with guidance. I wish you the best.
YOUR TURN
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Comments
He could say something like this: “I love you & I’m still a sexual being, so it hurts me that you don’t want any kind of sexual activity with me. I’m not talking about P-in-V. I’m talking about making love. There are so many ways we could be close that don’t involve penetration. It feels to me like you don’t want to be close to me either physically or emotionally. I need to hear from you why this isn’t part of our life any more.”
He deserves a sincere answer, however unpleansant it might be.
Thanks, Alison. Im the subject of Joan’s piece and like your advice
I’m in a reverse situation; I’m a 79 y.o. woman married to a 71 y.o. man who has lost interest. Up until 4 years ago when I had a knee replacement we had a regular “date” on Sunday afternoon with attempts. After surgery, it was all over. THE DIFFERENCE FROM THIS WRITER: we still meet on Sunday afternoon and have a “naked cuddletime.” I’d like more; I’ve asked him to get his T levels tested the next time he had blood work but he didn’t do it. I have my own “toys” which I use solo.
Past 70, it may be too late for her to find effective hormonal treatment, but this points out the need to seek help much earlier. Estrogen-only treatment, starting post menopausal can lead a couple to decades of pleasurable, penetrative sex.
Estrogen and testosterone drives libido in most women. The fact that this couples sex was once wonderful, points to hormonal deficiency that wasn’t addressed and it may be too late.
Many men are just as guilty of not seeking help with ED.
The blessing is in giving. My wife has not been able to have sex for about 15 years. She has mild dimentia and advanced lichen schlerosis. She has always been completely passive with regards to sex. I focus on her needs. I snuggle her at night, hug and kiss her during the day, and treat her to lots of road trips which she loves. We read the bible together and pray. We work at doing things together. I am thankful to God for my wife and the love we share. I am blessed!
Whatever happened to making love? A close, intimate relationship begins with the secure joy of being loved. Somewhat inattentive is the real issue here. She is your wife, not a sex toy. Do you respect her? Listen to her needs? Hold her close when she cries? Sounds like a selfish, one-sided, impassionate man where it counts. How demeaning to think you want her to be like a hooker off the street you paid for and then discarded. No wonder she doesn’t want you to touch her.